“Women need to choose good men, and our culture should instruct them on the best ways to do it. Too often, women now are encouraged (by the culture and by other women)”.
The disparity here is women are horrible at mate selection, and if women’s intuition is so good, why do women continue to pick bad, unsuitable men and become single mothers in the first place? Rhetorical.
Like the example you provide: “The freedom to select a mate is fundamental to our society. The idea of being forced into a romantic relationship is anathema to our cultural values. We regard the women of Afghanistan, being married off by male relatives or forced into distasteful commitments while still teenagers, with pity”.
However, what made America in its earlier days before modernity struck including other examples of other countries' nuclear-oriented family structured cultures like Asian, European and African successful historical some even now so flourishable and prosperous, which contributed to maybe not happily married 100% of the time, however successful under your guise of duty, were arranged marriages. When the heads of families, more particularly kings, chiefs, tribal leaders, and/or fathers, got together and married sons and daughters off.
Tragedy does strike, and widows have my sympathy. Single mothers are a totally different creature and deserve zero respect because they put themselves in that position by doing one of three things. She either A.) chose to give a poor, low-value man that gave her the tummy butterflies a child, hoping it would miraculously change him. B.) She had a child with a good, stable father figure type yet thought she could do better, (hypergamy) therefore ruining the lives of everyone involved. Or C.) She attained a good man until she found out that good man required her to be a good and better woman.
If we already know these modern women have abandoned all traditional values at the altar of feminism and are guilty as charged of being repeat offenders of being horrible at picking men for a strong, sustainable relationship as a society and culture, why do we continue to provide them with the entitlement and privilege of continuously going down a path of profligating abhorrent, destructive behavior? Rhetorical. Because child support is a billion-dollar industry and the government refuses to hold women accountable for their actions.
Have we forgotten women want to be treated equal to men, and in the same breath, they want special treatment as well? Rhetorical. Well, it doesn’t work like that.
Why is it that we as a society teach boys/men how to treat girls/women?
However, we don’t, or ever as a society, teach girls/women how to treat boys/men? Rhetorical.
“It is women who suffer more infidelity”?
The studies disagree:
-Equal Opportunity Cheating: Women and Men Cheat at Same Rate
-The Gender Hush Factor: Domestic violence is often seen as a female victim/male perpetrator problem, but the evidence demonstrates that this is a false picture.
Let’s also consider the fact if you eliminate men from relationships. Lesbian couples commit more violence towards each other than gay couples or men in relationships with men.
The studies prove:
-More domestic violence in lesbian couples than heterosexual.
61% of bisexual women and 44% of lesbian women surveyed in 2013 reported some type of intimate partner violence (IPV) compared to 35% of straight women. Intimate partner violence includes emotional/verbal abuse, physical abuse, stalking, sexual assault, and more.
Feminism had indoctrinated a fallacious fabricated lie that "Toxic Masculinity” exist. If toxic masculinity exist then so does toxic femininity. You can not have one door open and close the other. If in fact toxic masculinity exist. Then why is it as a society 45% of boys are raised by single mothers. 78% of teachers are female. So, close to 50% of boys have 100% feminine influence at home and 80% feminine influence at school. Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. The lack of masculinity is." Yes it’s a woman’s duty to choose well however it’s a families more importantly the men’s duty to make that choice either for or with her. Generally, long term decisions left up to the choices of women have always resulted in calamity.
A survey done by the CDC in 2010 that also doesn’t and failed to disclose the number of bisexual women they interviewed to get them to that percentage. The same CDC that told you the Covid-19 experimental inject was safe and effective. The same CDC responsible for millions if not billions of dollars if not more including but not limited to millions of medical malpractices all over the world. The same CDC given the data and stats presented under reports annual DV against men. Admittedly.
That’s just one study that you cherry-picked out of the plethora of data that I present to fit your narrative. A narrative that’s disingenuous. The reason why you picked that one statistic is to attempt to disprove my point. The same way the texas sharpshooter fallacy deceitfully works. You cherry-pick a data cluster to suit your argument, or you found a pattern to fit a presumption.
Historical, this 'false cause' fallacy is coined after a marksman shooting randomly at barns and then painting bullseye targets around the spot where the most bullet holes appear, making it appear as if he's a really good shot. Clusters naturally appear by chance, but don't necessarily indicate that there is a causal relationship. My point still stands that if men are removed from relationships and we enter lesbian relationships their DV rates are higher and happen quite casually.
They didn't disclose the numbers of hetero or lesbian women (or men) they interviewed either. All we know is that they interviewed 9086 women in total.
So being that they didn’t disclose that imperative information it not only leaves that survey up to interpretation. But the data of that particular CDC experiment becomes moot.
"The disparity here is women are horrible at mate selection, and if women’s intuition is so good, why do women continue to pick bad, unsuitable men and become single mothers in the first place? Rhetorical."
--- When women have their mates chosen for them, as in arranged marriage, they fare no better. Westerners tend to idealize/romanticize foreign cultures where arranged marriages are still performed because they don't know anything about the process, the mate selection criteria and the internal results (I'm not talking about external divorce rates).
Also, as I wrote to the author above, this write-up is at least a decade irrelevant. Women have already stopped making poor mate choices in the west/global north and that is part of the reason we're now hearing so much weeping and whining over the so-called "male loneliness epidemic", and "oh no! the sexless generation!" etc, etc.
"However, what made America in its earlier days before modernity struck including other examples of other countries' nuclear-oriented family structured cultures like Asian, European and African successful historically some even now so flourishable and prosperous...."
--- Those cultures were not/still are not "nuclear family structured", they are extended family structured where multiple generations live under one roof. In South Asia this is called "the joint family structure". In these cultures the "nuclear family" is considered a breakdown of the traditional family structure, and a travesty, really.
Here's how the South Asian joint family structure works: Men grow up living forever at home with their parents. When they get married they bring their brides home to live with them. So if a family has 2 grown daughters and 2 grown sons, the daughters get married off and go live with their in-laws somewhere else while the 2 sons bring their 2 wives into their home. That home is comprised off the following family members:
The paternal great-grandparents
The paternal grandparents
The 2 sons
The 2 daughter-in-laws
The kids of the 2 sons and daughter-in-laws
There is no privacy. There is no autonomy. There is no exploring a healthy sexuality with one's spouse in a carefree, uninhibited way. There is no accomodation for introverted types. There is no "I need my space". There is no going out when and where one wants. As a grown adult man or woman you will be seeking the permission of your parents/grandparents/in-laws for going anywhere. If there is a dispute between wives and mother-in-laws/father-in-laws the son/husband is caught in between and torn between taking side of his wife or his parents. This is the cause of a lot of drama/trauma in South Asian families. From an outside perspective (and often an inside wife's perspective) these sons remain forever mama's boys who never truly grow up, man up and individuate.
There are a lot of issues. There are some positive sides to such a set-up as well, but it is not at all a "nuclear family structure" and Americans/westerners who marry South Asians and live for some time like this usually find it unbearable. Increasingly South Asians themselves are finding it less than ideal.
It's a man's duty to stop being so worthless and disgusting.
Men like you will be sent to the mines soon, James. You shouldn't be online trying to organize your irrational thoughts into sentences. You should be at work.
Women don't care what losers like you think. Go talk to the men on OnlyFans, then go talk to the Taliban.
This write-up is at least a decade late. Much written here is no longer relevant. Women making poor mate selection is a thing of the past. And that's why there is so much whining and weeping over the supposed "male loneliness crisis".
“Women need to choose good men, and our culture should instruct them on the best ways to do it. Too often, women now are encouraged (by the culture and by other women)”.
The disparity here is women are horrible at mate selection, and if women’s intuition is so good, why do women continue to pick bad, unsuitable men and become single mothers in the first place? Rhetorical.
Like the example you provide: “The freedom to select a mate is fundamental to our society. The idea of being forced into a romantic relationship is anathema to our cultural values. We regard the women of Afghanistan, being married off by male relatives or forced into distasteful commitments while still teenagers, with pity”.
However, what made America in its earlier days before modernity struck including other examples of other countries' nuclear-oriented family structured cultures like Asian, European and African successful historical some even now so flourishable and prosperous, which contributed to maybe not happily married 100% of the time, however successful under your guise of duty, were arranged marriages. When the heads of families, more particularly kings, chiefs, tribal leaders, and/or fathers, got together and married sons and daughters off.
Tragedy does strike, and widows have my sympathy. Single mothers are a totally different creature and deserve zero respect because they put themselves in that position by doing one of three things. She either A.) chose to give a poor, low-value man that gave her the tummy butterflies a child, hoping it would miraculously change him. B.) She had a child with a good, stable father figure type yet thought she could do better, (hypergamy) therefore ruining the lives of everyone involved. Or C.) She attained a good man until she found out that good man required her to be a good and better woman.
If we already know these modern women have abandoned all traditional values at the altar of feminism and are guilty as charged of being repeat offenders of being horrible at picking men for a strong, sustainable relationship as a society and culture, why do we continue to provide them with the entitlement and privilege of continuously going down a path of profligating abhorrent, destructive behavior? Rhetorical. Because child support is a billion-dollar industry and the government refuses to hold women accountable for their actions.
Have we forgotten women want to be treated equal to men, and in the same breath, they want special treatment as well? Rhetorical. Well, it doesn’t work like that.
Why is it that we as a society teach boys/men how to treat girls/women?
However, we don’t, or ever as a society, teach girls/women how to treat boys/men? Rhetorical.
“It is women who suffer more infidelity”?
The studies disagree:
-Equal Opportunity Cheating: Women and Men Cheat at Same Rate
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/women-cheating-men-study/story?id=13885519
-Women beat men in the adultery stakes: Ladies who cheat have 2.3 secret lovers compared to 1.8 for the blokes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2145925/Women-beat-men-adultery-stakes-Ladies-2-3-secret-lovers-affair-compared-1-8-blokes.html
-Why Women More Likely To Cheat Than Men, According To Science
https://www.yourtango.com/201172881/women-more-likely-cheat-men-heres-why
-Is Female Infidelity on the Rise?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/our-gender-ourselves/201210/is-female-infidelity-on-the-rise
-The New Face of Infidelity
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578062754288906608.html
“It is women who suffer more physical abuse”?
The studies would disagree:
-WOMEN OR MEN: WHO USUALLY INSTIGATES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE?
https://www.domestic-violence-law.com/blog/2016/april/women-or-men-who-usually-instigates-domestic-vio/
-According to Domestic Violence - StatPearls - NCBI Women account for a little over half of the perpetrators.
*Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
In relationships without reciprocal violence, women committed 70% of all violence. However, men were more likely to inflict injury than women.
-Domestic violence against men
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men#:~:text=In%20relationships%20without%20reciprocal%20violence,to%20inflict%20injury%20than%20women.
-Extensive Research: Women Initiate Domestic Violence More than Men, Men Under-report It.
https://aliesq.medium.com/extensive-research-women-initiate-domestic-violence-more-than-men-men-under-report-it-3bbaa4fbec9d
-IPV: Female Initiated Violence Against Men
https://arizonaforensics.com/ipv-female-initiated-violence-against-men/
-The Gender Hush Factor: Domestic violence is often seen as a female victim/male perpetrator problem, but the evidence demonstrates that this is a false picture.
https://blackwestchester.com/the-gender-hush-factor-domestic-violence-is-often-seen-as-a-female-victim-male-perpetrator-problem-but-the-evidence-demonstrates-that-this-is-a-false-picture/
-Harvard study says 70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men
http://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm
Let’s also consider the fact if you eliminate men from relationships. Lesbian couples commit more violence towards each other than gay couples or men in relationships with men.
The studies prove:
-More domestic violence in lesbian couples than heterosexual.
61% of bisexual women and 44% of lesbian women surveyed in 2013 reported some type of intimate partner violence (IPV) compared to 35% of straight women. Intimate partner violence includes emotional/verbal abuse, physical abuse, stalking, sexual assault, and more.
Abuse in Lesbian Relationships
https://www.standffov.org/tdvam/abuse-in-lesbian-relationships/#:~:text=61%25%20of%20bisexual%20women%20and,%2C%20sexual%20assault%2C%20and%20more.
-When Intimate Partner Violence Meets Same Sex Couples: A Review of Same Sex Intimate Partner Violence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6113571/
-Comparisons of Intimate Partner Violence Among Partners in Same-Sex and Opposite-Sex Relationships in the United States
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2775776/
-DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PEAKS MORE THAN EVER FOR THE LGBTQIA+ COMMUNITY
https://dcvlp.org/domestic-violence-peaks-more-than-ever-for-the-lgbtqia-community/
-Vital Statistics on Domestic Violence in LGBTQ+ Communities
https://mandatedreporter.com/blog/vital-statistics-on-domestic-violence-in-lgbtq-communities/
-Domestic Violence and the LGBTQ Community
https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community
-Is violence more common in same-sex relationships?
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29994648.amp
-Domestic violence in lesbian relationships
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships
-Lesbian Partner Violence Fact Sheet
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml
-Domestic Violence Likely More Frequent for Same-Sex Couples
https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2014/09/domestic-violence-likely-more-frequent-for-same-sex-couples/
-If You’re Not Straight, You’re at Higher Risk for Domestic Violence
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/if-youre-not-stragiht-youre-at-higher-risk-for-domestic-violence-180949988/
-DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN LGBTQ RELATIONSHIPS: MYTHS, SIMILARITIES AND WAYS TO BE SUPPORTIVE
https://wingsprogram.com/domestic-violence-lgbtq-relationships-myths-similarities/
-INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE AND
SEXUAL ABUSE AMONG LGBT PEOPLE A REVIEW OF EXISTING RESEARCH
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/IPV-Sexual-Abuse-Among-LGBT-Nov-2015.pdf
-Domestic Violence in the LGBT Community
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/domestic-violence-in-the-lgbt-community/
-Understanding Intimate Partner Violence in the LGBTQ+ Community
https://www.hrc.org/resources/understanding-intimate-partner-violence-in-the-lgbtq-community
Feminism had indoctrinated a fallacious fabricated lie that "Toxic Masculinity” exist. If toxic masculinity exist then so does toxic femininity. You can not have one door open and close the other. If in fact toxic masculinity exist. Then why is it as a society 45% of boys are raised by single mothers. 78% of teachers are female. So, close to 50% of boys have 100% feminine influence at home and 80% feminine influence at school. Toxic masculinity isn't the problem. The lack of masculinity is." Yes it’s a woman’s duty to choose well however it’s a families more importantly the men’s duty to make that choice either for or with her. Generally, long term decisions left up to the choices of women have always resulted in calamity.
In that study, 89.5% of the bisexual women reported male perpetrators, though. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships%23:~:text%3DThe%2520report%2520notes%2520that%252C%2520out,89.5%2525%2520reporting%2520being%2520male%2520perpetrators.&ved=2ahUKEwiUp9vR3KGNAxXQYEEAHeptGk0QFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1PFAwfEoJauW0fDJk0Ny9M
A survey done by the CDC in 2010 that also doesn’t and failed to disclose the number of bisexual women they interviewed to get them to that percentage. The same CDC that told you the Covid-19 experimental inject was safe and effective. The same CDC responsible for millions if not billions of dollars if not more including but not limited to millions of medical malpractices all over the world. The same CDC given the data and stats presented under reports annual DV against men. Admittedly.
That’s just one study that you cherry-picked out of the plethora of data that I present to fit your narrative. A narrative that’s disingenuous. The reason why you picked that one statistic is to attempt to disprove my point. The same way the texas sharpshooter fallacy deceitfully works. You cherry-pick a data cluster to suit your argument, or you found a pattern to fit a presumption.
Historical, this 'false cause' fallacy is coined after a marksman shooting randomly at barns and then painting bullseye targets around the spot where the most bullet holes appear, making it appear as if he's a really good shot. Clusters naturally appear by chance, but don't necessarily indicate that there is a causal relationship. My point still stands that if men are removed from relationships and we enter lesbian relationships their DV rates are higher and happen quite casually.
They didn't disclose the numbers of hetero or lesbian women (or men) they interviewed either. All we know is that they interviewed 9086 women in total.
So being that they didn’t disclose that imperative information it not only leaves that survey up to interpretation. But the data of that particular CDC experiment becomes moot.
A few points, Jason.
"The disparity here is women are horrible at mate selection, and if women’s intuition is so good, why do women continue to pick bad, unsuitable men and become single mothers in the first place? Rhetorical."
--- When women have their mates chosen for them, as in arranged marriage, they fare no better. Westerners tend to idealize/romanticize foreign cultures where arranged marriages are still performed because they don't know anything about the process, the mate selection criteria and the internal results (I'm not talking about external divorce rates).
Also, as I wrote to the author above, this write-up is at least a decade irrelevant. Women have already stopped making poor mate choices in the west/global north and that is part of the reason we're now hearing so much weeping and whining over the so-called "male loneliness epidemic", and "oh no! the sexless generation!" etc, etc.
"However, what made America in its earlier days before modernity struck including other examples of other countries' nuclear-oriented family structured cultures like Asian, European and African successful historically some even now so flourishable and prosperous...."
--- Those cultures were not/still are not "nuclear family structured", they are extended family structured where multiple generations live under one roof. In South Asia this is called "the joint family structure". In these cultures the "nuclear family" is considered a breakdown of the traditional family structure, and a travesty, really.
Here's how the South Asian joint family structure works: Men grow up living forever at home with their parents. When they get married they bring their brides home to live with them. So if a family has 2 grown daughters and 2 grown sons, the daughters get married off and go live with their in-laws somewhere else while the 2 sons bring their 2 wives into their home. That home is comprised off the following family members:
The paternal great-grandparents
The paternal grandparents
The 2 sons
The 2 daughter-in-laws
The kids of the 2 sons and daughter-in-laws
There is no privacy. There is no autonomy. There is no exploring a healthy sexuality with one's spouse in a carefree, uninhibited way. There is no accomodation for introverted types. There is no "I need my space". There is no going out when and where one wants. As a grown adult man or woman you will be seeking the permission of your parents/grandparents/in-laws for going anywhere. If there is a dispute between wives and mother-in-laws/father-in-laws the son/husband is caught in between and torn between taking side of his wife or his parents. This is the cause of a lot of drama/trauma in South Asian families. From an outside perspective (and often an inside wife's perspective) these sons remain forever mama's boys who never truly grow up, man up and individuate.
There are a lot of issues. There are some positive sides to such a set-up as well, but it is not at all a "nuclear family structure" and Americans/westerners who marry South Asians and live for some time like this usually find it unbearable. Increasingly South Asians themselves are finding it less than ideal.
It's a man's duty to stop being so worthless and disgusting.
Men like you will be sent to the mines soon, James. You shouldn't be online trying to organize your irrational thoughts into sentences. You should be at work.
Women don't care what losers like you think. Go talk to the men on OnlyFans, then go talk to the Taliban.
You're worthless.
Do you have any actual rebuttals to James’ points though? Name calling might feel cathartic, but it makes you sound immature and foolish.
I made my rebuttals.
Men are the problem.
This write-up is at least a decade late. Much written here is no longer relevant. Women making poor mate selection is a thing of the past. And that's why there is so much whining and weeping over the supposed "male loneliness crisis".
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Male nannies do exist ...As do male nursery workers. Not as popular tho, I agree.